[From the New Age Frauds and Plastic Shamans forum, by "Ingeborg," July 15, 2015, in 2 parts]:
A German-language video presenting Chuck Spezzano and a student by the name of Elke Kirchner, has popped up here:
https://vimeo.com/125750799
Apart from being a long-term follower of PoV, Kirchner is also a seller of indigenous ceremony and partner/wife of a plastic shame-on who set up shop in Germany – a certain Philip Young, going by Philip Kansa aka Spirit Bear (pls cf http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1474.msg8935#msg8935 ).
Title: Healing Through Emotional Freedom
uploaded 2 months ago (i.e. approx May 2015)
Elke Kirchner (EK):
„I first met Chuck 14 years ago, in person, that was the year that my mother died. And I had a cystic tumour. That year Chuck did his first lecture in Hamburg. On stage, he said "When you got a physical problem, then quite likely two years earlier you promised something to yourself and failed to keep the promise." And I remembered I had promised something to myself which I didn't keep. That was the week when the tests were done whether the tumour was malign or benign. I went home and - ahm, the next morning I got two things done which I had to do, that is to keep the promise. The marker of the tumour was more than good, that meant it was benign, and six weeks later, it had reduced its size by half. And --- I was very frightened. Cause, my mother was just about to die from cancer. And I only have known my parents fighting. Like, from when I was small, they were only fighting. And for my 30th birthday I expressed my wish that they could come together in peace just for once. But it didn't work out. But shortly before my mother's death - she could hardly even dial a phone number then - she said: "Integrate your father into the family". And that was two mon---- two weeks after I took a 3-day seminar with Chuck. And then I knew I had to continue.“
Chuck Spezzano (CS):
[Chucks words are paraphrased here because his voice is partly overlaid by the German translation]
CS claims that the first thing he came up with in the way of an answer was that he remembered how he began with his healing work. The origins come from his own childhood. He remembered his parents who often fought, too, and it was painful to see and although he and his siblings loved their parents, they couldn't do anything regarding their arguments. And they never knew how to reach out to their parents, and that was very painful for them [the children]. So he made a promise to himself that he'd learn everything necessary to free people from their pain.
Subtitle: I had to carry on - Chuck's influence on Elke's work
EK:
„So many people come to me and want solutions from the angels. Yes, I've given many readings, but people didn't do anything with them. And then I realised that they come from a level so high up that they do not make use of it. And while I went from one seminar to the next with Chuck and Lency, I experienced so much more release***. I had to go through many ---- many dark emotions and sometimes I came home and I felt worse than before, but then six weeks later I all of a sudden was able to laugh again as a child. And I realised that I got more and more free. And the relationship to my husband got better and better. And I started, this fell right into place, to pass on what I learned with Chuck and Lency, in the seminars, what I experienced myself, to my - errm: our participants. [Very deep sigh] And all of a sudden I was able to help.“
[*** Translator's note: The German word used by EK also translates to "disorganisation, breakup, dissolution, disintegration“. This is a prime example of PoV Newspeak and its redefinitions! ]
Subtitle: Healing means healing relationships (3:58)
CS:
Says he learned that everything goes back to the level of the relationship and that all real healing was healing relationships. And that every problem finally was a problem at the level of relationship. And I learned that what made people happy was to be able to help others. We're naturally inter-personally oriented, and that all of our relationships are merely a reflexion of ourselves. So anyone who is acting badly, behaving badly in our environment, then this person merely demonstrates us a concept of ourselves, a dogma which we keep.
EK (4:53)
„And what I learned with Chuck and Lency is that every person has a great gift in them. Since I'm clairvoyant, I saw what it is and through working with Chuck and Lency I was able to show how a person can live these gifts. It is often that people first have to dissolve their childhood traumatas [sic] to realise who they are. And what else I learned is that there is nothing, really nothing that can't be healed. Even when I spent weeks sometimes in pain, or in fear - my topic is fear -, I always remembered Chuck's words that 20% are related to the present situation, and 80% are old stuff. So feel the old things and go through them. And then another layer of traumatas [sic] was gone.“
Subtitle: Partnership means to overcome Independence
CS:
And I drew a map with the phases which are taken up in relationships and also in personal development. And I found out that every person goes through the same steps as does every couple. And when we then find ourselves in dependency, at first, our pain comes from the world does not function they way we would like it to. And out of this pain we dissociate ourselves, we become independent. And when we then manage to overcome independence and get onto the level of partnership, we develop from very independent persons to leaders and partners. And then our mind opens for clairvoyant abilities and for shamanic abilities, artistic abilities open up and healing abilities, we become visionaries. And then we get to even a higher stage of levels to be masterly with our partner. And then we're a bridge between heaven and earth, and from there, we develop from interdependence to a radical dependency - or we could say in other words that from then on, we simply live a life of love. It's a surrender to heaven. Buddha once said that when 2 or 3 people came together in his name, he will be right there. And also Jesus said the same, he said when people gather in my name I will be among them. And this is about the path of Joining, about the relation, about love and about forgiving. In this respect we're on the way back into being one. And all obstacles occuring on the way reflect only our fear.
And fear and separation can work intra-personal, or inter-psychological, or in combination with heaven. "A Course in Miracle" says that when you want to help one million people, then forgive God. I always thought: I've got no issue with God. I'd always thought he could perhaps do a somewhat better job with this world, but all in all I felt good about God. But any negative emotion you have is an expression of your having an issue with God. Any agreement [Transl. note: CS in fact uses the term agreement which is clearly to hear before the translation begins which renders 'agreement' as 'grudge'!] - Any grudge you hold against anybody - below that you will always find a layer of self-attack and below a problem with God you got.
In the 70ies, my workload was so busy that I had to find a way to get into the subconscious of people quickly to be able to help them. And the subconscious goes from the time of our conception up to this very moment, the present, and the unconscious is even bigger. And most of it is a split mind - it's working so that we do things we actually don't really want to do. And then as I found the way into the subconscious, the unconscious opened or also the soul level. I saw ancestral patterns beginning to affect people's success and also their health. And then the soul patterns they already brought into this life. And lately I've been working with just how to collect those [Transl. note: Again the translation renders this differently] / And lately I've been working on how this collective works on people and also the dark unconscious. And the roots of every problem eventually leads back to the own fall, when we fell out of being one.
And what I did was basically, you know, is finding problems to get them out of the way, so that only love and health can be so that people can be happy. So I've been doing this for nearly 42 years. Every day I get going and just share my abilities and simply love people. In this respect I feel the happiest person there is on earth. Because I can see who the others really are, and help remove what's hurting them. And it is possible to do away with the misunderstandings which led them astray from their path. So my own healing occurs just as I help others. And it's an adventure finding a way to bring heaven to earth and then go beyond. So I feel really thankful in my life and as I mentioned often before on this tour, if I didn't have the people who come to me and I can help them, I'd be a bridge leading nowhere. So thank you.
Subtitle: Students become Partners
CS:
Every one of us is on an evolutionary path and there's nothing more exciting than to feel people move from participants to colleagues. So we join arm in arm in this common purpose and help to save the world. We just learn how to love more and become radiant - and it's so evident you touch so many persons [turning to the student in front of him], so we heal together and we learn together. And we carry out our individual purposes and the confidence grows, the community grows and I just so appreciate that you heard the call and go out into the world and we do this work together. Groups coming together to form a community is our future. And that's what we've done as a team. And it's a beautiful thing. And I feel the gratitude also.
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Comments:
The video points out how Spezzano uses the account of a client and adjusts his own vita to match the one of his victim: After the client explained the difficulties between her parents and how this affected her, he also claims similar experience. As his client sells indigenous ceremonies besides her PoV involvement, he also uses the term 'shamanic' for her to relate. His client also claims to be clairvoyant, and bingo!, the term clairvoyant pops up in his reply, too.
Spezzano's description of a model of different levels his clients will reach is interesting, too. He uses the terms 'independence' and 'dependency' in a re-defined way, so that independence becomes something inferior and to be overcome, while dependency is lined out as what to aim for. Although at face level, the dependency is to be sought within a relationship (as in marriage or partnership), we must also take into account that the client at the same time will also build a relationship to PoV, to PoV trainers and course participants, and to Spezzano. Furthermore, Spezzano and thus PoV neglect the fact that outside of their cult, dependency in a relationship is viewed rather critical. This also points to the fact that PoV is no science, it is a pseudo-science, without peer review from stage one.
The re-defined meanings given to the terms independence and dependency, and the implications this re-definition will assume, also render PoV as unsuited for survivors of sexual, physical, and psychological abuse. It also becomes apparent that PoV means to offer these survivors (another) kind of dependency in the place of the ones they may have developed during their life. Dependency thus seems to be the glue that keeps couples together and, at the same time, in the cult.
Part of this dependency is to be explained by Spezzano's emphasis that only living within a relationship will enable an individual to arrive at higher levels. Of course this overemphasises the importance of a relationship in the view of the clients, so that a relationship, any relationship they may have, becomes vital to enable their alleged spiritual growth. It will therefore become vital to keep up the relationship, and if need be, stop a partner/husband/wife from separating. If certain levels can only be arrived at on the basis of a relationship, then losing this relationship will be equalled with losing that status and brand the client a failure. As the PoV cult, however, proclaims to enable a continuing growth for their clients, this is something to be definitely avoided. In particular when both partners are part of the PoV circuit, it is easy to perceive how they will react to notions their relationship may have failed – by ignoring and denying any such notion.
Therefore, yes, all the seminars Spezzano does in Europe as a self-styled 'relationship expert' are a hook cast out to catch more fish for PoV among persons emotionally insecure, unsure or unhappy in their partnership/marriage and eager to accept something praised as a sure-fire quick fix.
Spezzano also uses several idioms which are otherwise heard in church, so e.g. 'you heard the call', and 'you go out into the world'. Keep in mind Spezzano had joined a Catholic order and taken initial vows. So PoV is not only to be seen as pseudo-science, it also presents itself as an ersatz religion, and a cult. This is particularly critical regarding the PoV claim of being First Nations' friendly and even of reflecting the same values as First Nations' cultures. In fact, PoV does not mean to keep indigenous religions and cultures thriving or even alive – in their world view, they must be replaced by PoV values and the ersatz religion PoV means to place in their stead. PoV thus aims at assimilation, just that this time, indigenous persons will not be assimilated into the dominant culture, but into a fringe group with a high level of social control over each other.
In the last part of the video, Spezzano outlines that PoV not only wants to attract a followership, but it means to turn 'students' into active sellers of courses. So an individual's career within the cult seems to be outlined rather clearly: join, take courses, take more courses, and eventually become a seller of courses yourself, i.e. an advancement from victim to culprit. The aim, phrased in PoV world view, is to 'save the world'... So what we get is a cult made up of persons who are told they are a vanguard, more advanced than the rest of us. Of course it is BS they will be able to 'save the world', or 'heal the planet', but this goal which can never be fully achieved also serves to keep the carrot dangling in front of the cult followers' noses: you just want to take a few more courses, and then it can be done. Meanwhile, the set of courses will have been added to – PoV got Mastery courses, Steps To Leadership, Vision Works, the 100-Day graduate courses etc, all thought up to secure more profit from cult followers.
As PoV is targeting indigenous communities in Canada, this is highly alarming. PoV will undermine indigenous cultures and religions, undermine tribal governments and turn adherents into dependent followers who are proud to be dependent and, on top of that, believe this was an advancement. Giving PoV access to rezzes and communities, however, will not only mean assimilation into a cult, but termination of the nations – except for a few folksy elements, so that PoV can continue claiming their BS reflected indigenous values plus ask for donations to make up for First Nations' rebates in course fees.
