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Immanuel posted 31 May 2001 05:08 PM
Hi,
I've been looking around your website, reading about your "vision", therapeutic model, etc. and I wonder: is your idea another invitation to join a sectarian movement? I'm just curious because my ex partner joined your movement and shows all the caracteristics of a sect member: feeling beter than the rest around us, developped a special "code language", can't do, be or breath without a guru etc etc.
It concerns me because we share a child and as such I feel somewhat responsable for here madness.
Regards Immanuel
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Jack A posted 31 May 2001 10:02 PM
Hi Immanuel
Your message brought a smile to my face. I seem to remember I went through a phase of 'madness' like that. I think it was because I had found something that was really helpful and my desire to share this made me a little evangelical. However, I grew out of it once I appreciated that everyone has their own path in life and that it is exactly right for them.
I appreciate your concern for your child but the best way you can help your ex-partner move through this is to give her your unconditional love and support.
POV is not a sect as I understand it, in fact the principles it puts forward are the complete antithesis of sectarianism i.e. joining.
I hope this allays some of your concerns but please feel free to ask away.
Best regards
Jack
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immanuel posted 01 June 2001 12:05 AM
Jack, I'm a bit more sceptical I'm afraid: All seems toooo familiar: f.e, Bhagwan or scientology did/do the same (joining) and infact one can make a long list of gurus who proclaimed the cure for all our problems with the simmilar courses, seminars, therapies etc. In the mean time the flipside of the coin is also remarkably the same: retreat in "communities" which are in fact quite effectively run companies that make massive profits on your problems expense. Other typical characteristics are building dependencies on the guru for relief, input in exchange for giving up your ego and identity. Renaming of common human relatities to make them subject of guru's philosophy and reach.
The end of the story more often than not leaving people even more disenchanted then before...
In my oppinion communication/love is a truely free experience that can't be bought. Everybody is his/her own guru for that matter.
Okay, I'm sure within your definition I could use some SPezzano to cure my scepticism, huh? You know, in microbiotics for example that could be called spasticly: "eaten to much cheese" (I'm not kidding!)
You see, there is some humor there if you learn to see the context of these things.
However, I appreciate your comments. I've been quite radical in my own right. With her madness I did also mean that she's working her ass off now for Mr Spedzanno's arrival in her country (The Netherlands) and of course the master will only arrive when there is enough money to be made....In the mean time the poor soul really does need some proper looking after. As you said, all I can do is support her with all my might/love to help her open up to herself (although quite unappreciated...maybe 'couse I'm no guru, perhaps, but I am quite peristant, so ))))
Actually, all I can do or care for at the moment is to protect my little kid who is in a constant line of fire/emotional balckmail, because there are some obvious unresolved and very peristant remnant aftereffects of the relationship. In that respect I also realy appreciate and respect her willingness to work with herself, but indeed I think he is not very well served with another layer of naive fantacism.
Regards, Immanuel
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Jack A posted 01 June 2001 10:01 AM
Hi Immanuel,
I know what you mean... it does all sound very familiar and I think that most spiritual teachers are saying esentially the same thing but in a slightly different way. There are the words of Rumi that say 'The paths are many, but the goal is one' I guess that we find a teacher that they are receptive to.
Your comment "communication/love is a truely free experience that can't be bought" I wholeheartedly agree with. I have found that it is hidden away underneath my cynicism, fear and guilt. What POV has essentially done for me is to help me find the courage to let that out and to open my heart to my family and friends and increasingly to people in general. On that journey though, I had to go through the 'madness' you describe (and still revisit on a fairly frequent basis).
I suspect that your ex-partner is opening up to herself but that the first thing she, and you, are encountering is the needy, dependent part she has hidden away. I admire you for your committment to just keep loving her and I guarantee it is appreciated by her, even if only sub-consciously at the moment.
Happy to keep talking.
Jack
